i mean, she make a big distinction between orientation and lifestyle. i'm not sure what that means exactly, clark. are you comfortable with the way she even talks about gay issues politically? >> for starters, let's this orientation, not lifestyle. the point was made in many areas about electability. so doesn't matter where you stand on the political speck traum. a political position regarding the gay community puts herr at fringe with the republican party. i'm not the only -- >> why is she so anti-gay? >> that's a good question. a good question. why is anybody anti-gay? obviously -- >> it's an obsession in terms of her politics. seems to be more than winning votes. i don't know how many she can win, in the movie conservative areas. her husband also seems to be focused intently often this question of reparative therapy. talking about homosexuality on a radio show last year. let's listen in. >> what do you say when your teenager says she's gay? >> there's that curiosity, but, again, it is as if we have to understand barbarians need to be educated. they n